• Robbie Farlow shared his podcast with Stevo!

  • Jessica Owens Mauk started a discussion on the use of “we” vs. “you” when discussing habit change with clients

    • Stevo: Habitry, Co. rules of pronouns: "we struggle together. You will succeed."

    • Mark Zarate: I always mix and match both of them within the conversation...i aim to make all possibly perceived negative commentary as a WE statement, and all positive or encouraging commentary as a YOU statement. ..... as in "WE all have those moments where getting to the gym is difficult and WE miss a workout, its ok WE'll get back on track now, missing one workout doesnt make or break results, YOU have been crushing it lately and YOUR progress is unbelievable so far and I cant wait to see what YOU are gonna do to those workouts this week"

  • Michele Meinville Decerio asked for advice on helping a wife and husband with their fitness goals

    • Georgie Fear: Im glad you want to help give your clients more Michele Meinville Decerio, thats what we are all about here. Do you think youd be able to start a conversation with her about how she feels about her husband and his success? The first skill I would practice is just hearing her out and giving her a loving accepting ear.

    • Isa Bel: A lot of people have already commented on the empathy and listening aspect. I would build on that to find out from her, firstly, if getting in shape is something she wants to do. You said prior to you she didn't really exercise. What has changed? Why is she interested in exercising now? If her motivation is completely coming from her husband's insistence that she do, she will never be successful. Pitting them in competition with each other will only increase the tension between them, which already seems high. I would work on what her motivation is, and help her look at exercise and a healthy diet as something she wants to do for herself. She doesn't seem to be internally motivated to lose weight, and there could be many reasons for that. She could definitely benefit with working with a mental health professional that can help her get to the bottom of her motivation issues.

    • Josh Hillis: I would try listening, with only two intentions —

      1.) To completely understand what she is saying and how she feels

      2.) Listen for the commitments she is speaking to, behind what she is saying.

      Like, even if she doesn't clearly articulate what really matters to her, everything she says (even how she feels about her husband's new obsession) is pointing towards stuff. Listen for that stuff, and then ask her about it to see if you are clearly understanding it.

      I'd just do that.

      Essentially, just keep having conversations where a.) She gets heard and understood, and b.) she clarifies for herself what matters to her.

  • Roland Fisher started a discussion on marketing and finding your niche

    • Josh Hillis: It's funny because it really is an amazingly powerful concept.

      But, like I said, I think the Cirque du Soleil vs. Barnum and Bailey example explains the whole concept in like 10 seconds: Cirque du Soleil doesn't compete with the circus market. Done.

    • Stevo: I'd also like to point out that for a "no shit, Sherlock" revelation, very few people in our industry seem to be doing it. #helpingthesamepeople

  • Sarah Campbell asked for advice on getting a personal trainer certification

    • Josh Hillis:For a national certification, I really like NASM. I think it's a really useful framework to learn periodization, an overview of corrective exercise, and three different models of progression.

      I think it's a really effective system to learn verbatim, and then loosen up (a lot) over time.

      So, if you do want to do some learning while you get a cert, that's what I'd recommend.

      I also recommend everyone get a practical cert, like DVRT or RKC to learn how to teach movement, and a more practical method of progression, if you haven't been taught that yet. But this might not help as much with insurance, and would be purely for your own development.

    • Stevo: The other thing I'll add that has been mentioned in this forum a lot: We often fall victim to thinking that getting certs will earn us legitimacy. They don't. If you need a generic personal training cert, just get the one that's cheapest and fastest. Put the rest of your money into books and quality time with awesome peers.

    • Seth Munsey: Steven, when it comes to online certs, I would definitely agree. There is something to be said though for taking a live cert that focuses on good body mechanics, tension, breathing, etc... That's why I think the HKC would be great for a lot of people. I would say SFG as well, but they list theirs as a User Course, which is awesome unless you work for a place that wants you to be "Certified."

  • Coach Stevo asked: What’s your biggest fear as a coach? (Too many great comments in this thread, check it out!)

  • Michele Meinville Decerio asked whether getting Precision Nutrition certified is worth it.

    • Sean Flanagan: I think if I met Steven and joined this group 3 months sooner, I wouldn't have done PN. I enjoyed it at the time - but hindsight, ya know? What I would have done instead: read the books recommended BY PN (and in this group) on coaching, and done a program by the ISSN for the nutrition cert. Honestly one of the biggest benefits I got from PN and the science was increased confidence. The fact that I was able to catch all of the bad science was a great ego boost for me.

    • Sarah Campbell: Having gone through LE, mentored, and gotten a PN cert, in all honesty Georgie's book has the guidance to give clients part covered better. There are forms and general guidelines taught, but not the gritty trouble shooting you actually need.

      As far as the science, the text is very well written (G wrote quite a bit of it when she worked for them a few years ago, and they have not updated after the 2nd addition). If you haven't had a lot of A & P, that part may be worth it.

      In no way shape or form do I agree with their pitch that it's like a four year degree in coaching without having to go back to school. Also, I don't know how much they are currently charging for it. If you have a personal training cert, I wonder if they have an add-on for nutrition that may be less expensive?

    • Amanda Thebe: Hey Roomie BFF! I say do it. I benefited from the knowledge bombs they give you, and for sure it is not equivalent to a 4 year degree (I wish) so just acknowledge that it will broaden your scope of nutritional knowledge but you aren't a RD when it's over.

      Tagging onto that though. I am working with Georgie now and I am finding it a great combo. So glad I didn't invest in PN 2 - the practical advice I have received from her individual mentoring is way more than I could have expected from any course.

      Invest wisely young padawan.

    • Joy Victoria: I am on Chapter 7 at the moment, so haven't gotten to the practical side yet. The science is very helpful, also I feel clearer and more practical than your average textbook (cause they care that you understand). The price for the ISSN, when you include membership, is less, but I also did PN partly for the textbook to refer to and add to my library. I don't think I will do PN2 though, and I do have *some* issues with certain recommendations, but that's neither here nor there. I do agree that you are probably going to get better help with adherence, problem-solving for specific issues, motivation and getting habit-based changes in here.

  • Leanne Pedante wanted to know what order to read the Motivate Collective book list books.

    • Omar Atlas 1. why we do what we do
      2. motivational interviewing
      3. we build communities

      In that order :)

  • Josh Hillis shared a great example of providing autonomy support to a client.

  • Hal Kriesel took the plunge and started his first intentional group!

    • Vanessa Naylon: That's fantastic!

      Some things I have learned from building my IRL communities are: have a shared online space (I use a Facebook group, not a page), lead by example at the beginning by showing up on time every time (until the group is clearly running on its own), show enthusiasm, and do not be afraid of sending extra reminders if the group needs to chime in on a topic or agree on a meeting time (use doodle.com for scheduling).

  • Coach Stevo started a discussion on how online coaching cannot be passive

  • Josh Hillis polled the Motivate Collective on their fitness goals and how they’ve evolved over time

  • Nishanth Appari asked for advice on designing an online coaching program

    • Jessi Kneeland: I've never tried the other way so I can't compare. When I meet each person we chat and I ask what they first want to to work on. Sometimes I guide or suggest things, and I always make sure it's totally achievable and useful, but honestly people usually have an idea already and I like being able to feel like we immediately honor their intuition. Honestly 90% of their first change is either in the "get more sleep" or "get more protein" category.

    • Amanda Thebe: I'm about to launch my online program with that is based around 10 habits - but I am prioritising the habits not them. I love the idea of educating the group, so I am going to do that but based around that habit of the week (or fortnight). I understand where you are coming from but I wonder how hard it will be to give them the education then let them pick, might you end up with a group with 5+ habits to manage? Still I think it is worth a try - why not!! report back as I would be interested too to know how it goes.

    • Robin Mungall: Hey Nishanth Appari I like your idea. Education and following up with supporting them on applying that knowledge is the right track to success IMO. This is kind of how I run my coaching online or in person. 1. I've created a 6 month course called "Results Mastery" and the point of this course is that at the end of 6 months clients will know exactly what they need to do to continue to get results or move towards what they want to achieve fitness wise. The course includes Cognitive Mastery, Emotional Mastery and Physical Mastery. Educating them on all these aspects in my own unique style of coaching. 2. Along with the course I get clients started with my "Fitscore"assessment of their current nutrition, movement and sleep habits. This gives the client a really good idea of what habit changes they work on will give them the biggest impact towards their goals. 3. From the assessment I ask them what habit they want to work on first. I then ask why, and we work on strategies to master that habit and continue to move forward from there. Each time we work on a strategy I always find the actions that they are 90-100% confident they can execute that action(s). Clients then have the chance to win it every single week. That's it in a nutshell. I hope that helps?

    • Josh Hillis: Nishanth Appari I think it sounds awesome.

      My last group (and my next group) I'm giving them a choice of 4 habits to pick from, basically. I thought it worked awesome, but I don't have anything really to compare it to.

      I've considered groups in the future that only do one habit for the whole group. Not sure. I actually really like giving them a choice, and getting to have conversations about what they are choosing and why.

      Would love to know how your group goes.

    • Georgie Fear: We start everyone in our group on the same habits for the first 3. Then we give them a choice at habit 4-5. They pick between the veggie habit and the protein habit, doing one first and then switching. Then when they get to the treats habit they choose one of four methods for altering their treat intake. And later on they pick from one of three behaviors to 'recalibrate their appetite'. And our last habit is Choose Your Own Adventure. So theres a lot of choice with certain 2 weeks blocks, more everyone doing the same thing at others. In general we give more specific direction and specific habits at the start and as the habits go they get more broad and the client needs to make choices.

  • Roland Fisher started a discussion on improving feedback to clients

    • Roland Fisher: Well research backs this up, and it matches my experience, but very few people believe it. It is said too often. In fact the more you say it, the less it is believed.

      So yeah, specific feedback, followed up with almost anything else that means the same thing works better.

    • Georgie Fear: I think "Great Job" on it's own is a bit vacuous. But "You did a great job at (specific) this last week!" I think still has value.

    • Isa Bel: Jessica Owens Mauk -- have you read the book Mindset by Carol Dweck? It delves into the recent research that shows praising effort, not accomplishment, delivers better results long term by focusing attention on behavior instead of outcome. It is a fascinating read. http://www.amazon.com/Mindset-The-New.../dp/0345472322

    • Stevo: Generic feedback over time is no different than no feedback at all.

    • Brad Kelly: I definitely agree a lot of people over praise which leads to desensitization. But when I do give a compliment I found a way I feel works fantastic.

      One of my mentors really put me on this way to positively reinforce a client that has worked wonders since I started implementing it.

      When I first meet them I ask them what they consider a successful training session(can be used in any workplace). Their answer will either be something such as "When I feel I did my best and feel good afterwards " or it will be when they achieve something externally such as a new poundage on a movement, losing weight or ect. This gives a large indicator to whether they are an introvert or extrovert. Extroverts tend to associate success with external factors while introverts associate it with how it makes them feel or how they feel they performed even if they didn't achieve a external success.

      If they are more of an extrovert you would then compliment them on things like " You are getting so much better at x y z" or " your shoulders, arms ect are really looking awesome."

      While if they are primarily introverted you positively reinforce them with things such as "I really appreciate how much work you are putting in" or " Your doing such a wonderful job, you must feel phenomenal".

      This really clicked with me because we all associate success with different things and when I ask that question and later act on that they immediately light up.

    • James Mills: To add to all our book lists. I haven't read this one yet, but have read Stone's other books and am looking forward to getting to this one. This book looks at the flip side of the conversation - learning how to receive feedback. This perspective will also help us to give feedback more effectively.