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Happy Sunday Motivators! Time to recap yet another bustling week at the Motivate Forums!

  • Habitry, Co. launched The Habit Lab, a new weekly video series dedicated to testing out, reporting about, and sharing our favorite habits with the world.
    • Omar Atlas said: We know most people want fast results and out of these people that want fast results, a minority are willing to put in the extra effort required for fast results. How would you deal with these sorts of clients? Does trying to "convince" to take it slow and steady come at the risk of de-motivating them?
    • Roland Fisher said: Comparing two speeds of dieting makes no sense to me, dieting sucks. Changing habits is the only way to go anyway, and it is rather slow for most people to take that approach.
    • Sean Flanagan said: Maybe there's a middle ground - give a couple 'quick fixes' up front to buy some time while creating other habits. Then when less of a "nuclear method" is needed, have them wean off the quick fix tactics and they can fall back on their habits.
    • Matt Talley said: One of the most interesting points in the paper that stood out to me was the discussion of data that indicates most people slowly gain weight over time without any sort of study intervention or diet program.So if gaining a few pounds over the years is the expected norm, then the weight anyone keeps off long term is even more impressive as we shouldn't compare them to a static "starting weight" but rather what their "in another universe" weight can reasonably be assumed to be.
    • Matt Talley said: Right now the industry is TOO HOT. Crossfit, Insanity, P90x, Beast Mode, No Excuses, etc. One piping hot bowl of hardcore is served to everyone and the newbs and genpop are turned away quickly, if they ever try it in the first place. Someone needs a little bit at a time, slowly, but they're given too much too fast.We need to be careful not to make things TOO COLD as we try to cool things down a bit. If we try serving an ice cold bowl of n00b flakes to everyone then the really driven and experienced people will be turned away. Some people need a lot, and they can handle it right now, but they're given too little too slowly.Somewhere in the middle is JUST RIGHT: the appropriate volume, pacing, weight, frequency, restriction, planning, etc.
    • Seth Munsey said: I'm a little confused as to what population we are currently discussing. Losing a lot of weight at a young age when work/life/family stressors are significantly lower, getting involved in the powerlifting community, gaining some weight back to hit a certain strength goal, then losing weight again while surrounded by a supportive community and a lot of time and knowledge, is a lot different than the average overweight/obese client we see on a daily basis.
    • Dominic Matteo said: This is a very interesting conversation for me on a couple of levels. 1) I'm in it. I know what it took for me to go from 300 lbs to single digit bf. I also know the turbulence I experienced in finding and changing to a more maintainable pace to keep it off. 2) I know at least a dozen people who have lost 80 - 100lbs in a similar fashion. Most have put back on weight because they never learned ENOUGH habit change to maintain or they were so extreme initially they were afraid to back off a little, then ended up simply burning out. 3) quite a few of the people I currently coach are "former profession dieters". The most interesting conversations are the ones where they want faster results yet they are doing everything they can in the context of their lives. These guys compare their reality to someone else's and feel bad about it. Going faster would probably be more motivating for them yet in reality, it isn't possible without sacrificing something more important to them like work or family time.
    • Roland Fisher said: Just to be clear, I was saying slow or fast, from dieting, isn't important, changing behavior is. I like fast as much as the next person, but I want it to be habit based so that it is permanent.
    • Spencer Nadolsky said: The way I see this is that you don't have to worry if it seems the patient is losing weight faster than the usual pace as long as the habits you are teaching are long term.
    • Omar Atlas said: On the same page there, Roland. I guess even if you do go fast, eventually you have to deal with slow progress and setbacks. That's why developing the right habits becomes crucial. Georgie Fear said: The reason I asked a question (regarding the gap between action and ability) is because personally, I'm not worried about the maximal intensity and number of things they CAN do. If they aren't doing any of those things already, on their own, in real life, I'm not going to encourage them to SPRINT down the diet track when the race extends the rest of their life. If they have ability but haven't had the motivation to do anything, I think attending to the weak link in the chain is ...well maybe its just my style.
    • Joy Victoria said: Need to read the whole thread, but Dan John talks about this, as do a couple other coaches. I think a big thing is that people set a time frame, but then just reverse back to what they were doing before and gain it all back, rather than easing out of it. Its this lack of awareness that post-massive-effort, you need an incubation stage where you chill the fuck out for a bit, but don't go eating it all back to "reward yourself for the effort". This is an incomplete thought, but I got my nails done, and typing is pissing me off right now.
    • Seth Munsey said: I agree. Taking time to sit, reflect and really discover my "whys," is a lot different then someone sitting across from me repeatedly asking me "why?"
    • Steven Michael Ledbetter said: There's a lot of great alternatives to "why" like:1) How did you come to that conclusion? 2) What's the thought behind that? 3) How do you think that's gonna play out? 4) Walk me through the reasoning there. 5) What do you think led to that?
    • Chris Cbfit Forrest said: Yeh i don't seem to have an issue too much cause i try and make all interviewing as fun and silly as possible.The biggest thing i try is to make them laugh early in the piece. Then i throw out funny examples of why and some serious ones. We are classed as a 'country town' and there are some country town mentalities, as well as that aussie battler mentalities. But i love you examples above, going to throw them into the "scripts" for the pts when they do the assessment. Just so they don't ask why and sit there in that awkward silence for 5 mins
  • Rob Morris shared an experience about the power of empathy for influencing clients.
    • Rob Morris said: Empathy can be a powerful tool that can influence our clients if it comes from a place of honesty and sincerity. My career choice has left me with a whole heap of injuries that cause me chronic pain. I have a client who has experienced some tough times in life. He is a cancer survivor, has a bunch of titanium in his face from an accident, and has chronic back pain from a disk injury. This is a person who owns and is president of a half billion dollar a year corporation. On the outside he has it all, but all he wants is to be able to move without pain. After he overcame cancer he wrote a book and gave me a copy. When I opened it tonight I found an inscription on the inside cover. What he wrote touched me deeply. I have made lots of mistakes in my work with him, but because I can empathize with his pain, I work my ass off to find solutions. I listen to you guys and your thoughts. I listen to my mentors like Daniel John, Jon Torine and Gray Cook. When I don't have answers I find someone who does. He comes to me not because I am the best, but because he knows I understand what he deals with and I will do everything I can to help him. That is the power of EMPATHY. Thanks to you all for helping me on my journey to improve and help others change their own lives.
  • Seth Munsey shared an article about fitness concierges.
  • Parker J Burns shared “Where Does Your Fat Go When You Lose Weight?
  • Nicole Markee asked for advice on web hosting.
  • Sean Flanagan asked, “What role does one-on-one coaching play in your coaching practice? What unique value do you feel that it addresses that group coaching is not ideal to deal with?
    • Chris Cbfit Forrest we do semi private training, that is what we are going to do when we bring in the Habitry Model. I think that would work well, still group based, but individualized training.
    • Georgie Fear said: I do one on one as my specialty. for people with emotional eating or a wonky relationship with eating its really helpful to "get in there". I like to get up to my elbows in their distorted thinking, misplaced emptions, etc and help.
  • Roland Fisher asked the Collective for their thoughts on the Tiny Habits Master Class, by BJ Fogg.
    • Omar Atlas said: This book might be worth reading: http://habitry.com/review-of-superhuman-by-habit/
    • Steven Michael Ledbetter said: It's a good base for understanding the first step. But I've not met a single person who made it past the "habit hangover" (week 3) because it completely ignores social engagement, fallback plans (Roland Fisher, you know as well as I do everyone over-estimates in the first week), and a number of other things that I think are key to sustainable habit formation.I think we NEED to be talking about triggers and rewards and planning around drops in motivation (Fogg is great about that), but he's never been a coach, so there's very little practical experience actually meeting people where they're at. He's also got very little academic experience with Self-Determination Theory (I got into a discussion of SDT with him on twitter when he reached out looking for more info on it), so he doesn't talk about the importance of autonomy or belonging (although his system is great for increasing perceptions of competence). His system doesn't address environment or changing your context to make better decisions (ala Brian Wansink). He really doesn't think much of awareness building and yet he seems to think that finding one's own triggers is easy (when in all of Lally and Wood's work, they talk about how delusional people are about what actually triggers our behavior).He is definitely a world expert in a narrow field, but there's a lot about the application that I think is missing. In the grand scheme of things, $66/hr is pretty cheap, and I think there's stuff to learn from him. But I personally think he's got more to learn from you, Roland Fisher.

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