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Hey Motivators! You’ve tuned in for last week’s summary of the conversations that happened in the Forums!

  • Here are 5 Motivating Articles to share with your clients
  • Sandi Danilowitz asked, “what client tracking tool do you use?
    • Roland Fisher: Over time I abandoned tracking what I wanted and started tracking what the client decides is important to them. They get more out of it, but that means that I don't have a good tool to use. We make it up as we go. Often with a good old pen and diary.
    • Josh Hillis: I used 100% myfitnesspal for a while, that way I could bang 'em all out back to back.These days, I try not to look at their food journal at all, and do it all in conversation from "what they noticed in their food journal"
  • Shannon Khoury asked for advice on helping a client who struggles with self-image and eating.
    • Georgie Fear: Aw, poor thing. The indecision speaks volumes about her mindset , and would lead me to ask about food judgement, and self-judgement on the basis of food intake. To most people, buying a cart of groceries is a matter of little consequence, so we have chicken or beef for dinner, big deal. But if someone sees the store as a divide of "good" and "bad" it is a high pressure thing. Also, I find the distress over making food decisions is fairly proportional to the extent a person judges themselves by their food decisions.
    • Georgie Fear: If your self-worth crumbles with two bites of a sandwich, it's hard to get through the day.
    • Josh Hillis First off - crying is ok. Clearly it was really really hard and maybe even scary for her.I would thank her for trying something SO COURAGEOUS. Or however you feel, but to me it sounds like it was a really brave move for her to take you (a trainer!) shopping.But then she wasn't prepared to make the decisions.I love open ended questions and giving people freedom to choose, but sometimes they need more structure, like TWO choices.

      "What do you think, this one or this one? Not sure, let me share a little of my thoughts. Ok, now which one do you think?"

      And "yes that's a great choice!"

      And "Mostly I just want us to have an opportunity to talk about it, it isn't really about making the 'right' choices."

  • Robin Mungall started a discussion on clients who complain that getting results was “too easy”
    • James Mills: Yes, being in the CrossFit world, I have had many people complain that my workouts are too easy or basic despite the fact that they are sweating and seeing gains. Daniel John talks about a strength program that he put pro athletes through who had significant gains but said they'd never do it again because it was too easy. (please correct me, if I bastardized this Dan)
    • Josh Hillis SELL IT SELL IT SELL IT SELL IT SELL IT SELL ITSeriously, if you're going to do something non-standard, you have to constantly sell them on *why*We always tend to talk about how CrossFit has been so great on building community. But we forget to talk about how CrossFit did such a great job on selling people why CrossFit was the best thing ever in history.The feedback from the environment thing is HUGE. HOLY EFFING WOW it's huge. They don't actually know that 2% bodyfat in four weeks is good. In fact, if you didn't know it was awesome, it wouldn't sound like much.

      So give them reference points to let them know that they're doing amazing, and they'll feel like they're doing amazing. You have to show them. They way they'll feel about how it's going is how you tell them it's going.

    • Daniel John: But, these assholes will learn in the long run. You can run your engine as high as you want to get from street corner to street corner. You make a lot of noise...the first rule of Crossift is to never shut the fuck up about talking about Crossift...and upset the neighbors. But, you aren't in the Grand Prix. So, Josh HIllis nails it in his work...and I just saw he posted, but don't tell him I said anything nice about him...that easy and mediumish workouts beat hard all the time. "Hard all the time" works for just an angel's breath. True mastery, in all phases of life, comes from the gentle nudges towards mastery. In the area of love, Crossfit and the ilk are "Tinder" and stalking. Yeah, it might work, but you don't want to brag to your grandkids about it. That was a good line.
  • Spencer Nadolsky asked for advice on what to charge for coaching
    • Dominic Matteo: When I was on my own I charged $150/month but if they signed up for a 6 month package it was $99. I had one single person go month to month, dozens for the 6 month deal. I also would negotiate/barter if someone really wanted to participate but $ was holding back. In some cases I even helped people "find" the money right off the bat by looking at their grocery receipts with them and letting them identify the "bleed".
    • Georgie Fear: we're at 97/month for group coaching, 147 for one on one, and if someone insists on working with ME personally instead of one of the other coaches, 300.
    • Jessi Kneeland: I was doing 249/month but was getting very overwhelmed. Now I'm charging 449. Mine is completely personal, one on one, and fairly time consuming. I'm coming up with a lower level soon that doesn't involve writing programs from scratch the way I do now, because that's the part that kills me. Also, mine is fitness and body acceptance, not nutrition.
    • Robin Mungall: For my 1on1 coaching that includes a "Results Mastery" course. It's $600/month or $325/month for 6 months depending on level of time I'm personally investing weekly with the client. After the initial 6 months the price drops to $125/month and goes to group training. Really high retention and great results.
    • Roland Fisher: I charge $1000000 an hour for coaching. That's why I'm on FB all day.
  • Michele Burmaster is building a list of fitness professionals and individuals interested in the Body Positive Fitness movement.
  • Roland Fisher shared the results of an email survey sent to Georgie Fear’s blog and they were “really surprising”
    • Roland Fisher: The number one obstacle seems to be in execution. People told me over and over that they know what to do, they just don't execute after motivation wanes.So my big lesson learned? We gotta keep doing what we are doing. We need to keep exploring ways to help people with motivation and making things doable. And that there is a real appetite for that sort of thing.All the blogs seem to write the details, like carbs, IF, etc. That is everywhere. What we can do differently is write empowerment strategies
  • Dan Rollins asked for advice on getting a client to buy-in to a reasonable training and nutrition plan
    • Georgie: Fear Coming to grips with the amount sh is actually eating is obviously painful for hr.
    • Georgie Fear: (safe to say it's not 1000 cal)
    • Georgie Fear: It's very hard to increase awareness when there is judgement there, and I DON'T mean from you - but she's likely judging herself.
    • Chas Cook: Ask her " how its working for her " , also you are asking for ten exercise sessions week ( 3 x resistance and daily walking ) if she is doing or has recently been doing not much then this is a big ask. Make the nutritional changes small and achievable ( so let me see 1 x a week 1 days food journal ) etc
    • Roland Fisher: What does she want to do with her diet, not the effect of diet, the actual diet. We need to foster autonomy, her actions need to be hers, not ours. She wants to diet down, what changes does she want to make to make that happen? That's meeting her where she is at. You then steer her into smarter decisions with your expertise, but let her lead.
    • Josh Hillis: I shoot for something like 1lb per week of fat loss, so I'd be constantly telling her 50lbs is going to take 50 weeks, and it isn't linear.Later (after a habit or two) you can ask her if she wants to know which next habits have been most effective for other clients (say at least three) and give her a choice again.
    • Georgie Fear: What she needs to do is create a calorie deficit, no harm in reminder of this (she knows already) but then expressing concern that she's not achieving a calorie deficit with her current strategies, but that you respect her decision to continue it, and you have suggestions to try if she wants to do something different. "You can ask me anytime if you want to try a different nutrition strategy, I know lots of people who have been able to get into a calorie deficit and lose weight, but they weren't doing what you're doing. I'm not saying your way is wrong, if it works great, but if it's not working, I hate to see you stay this frustrated long term because clearly this is important to you."
    • Georgie Fear: And give her time.
    • Georgie Fear: When/if she expresses a readiness or even a curiosity, I'd share that research shows that dividing food into good and bad categories or attaching negative labels to herself for eating tasty foods actually thwarts success because it makes us feel lousy about ourselves, and when we feel that way we have less confidence, focus, and ability to choose long term goals over short term ones, which adds up to: we tend to eat more. Maybe not the first or second day, but eventually, it's NORMAL to undo the calorie deficit with a calorie overage going about it the way she is. (key points: be kind, speak softly, share if you have a similar experience and don't point fingers or say that she IS doing this, but that it would be normal for a person to.)
    • Roland Fisher: If someone was scared of kettlebell swings, would you get them to do them? You might start with kettlebell deadlifts first. You might graduate to a gentle swing in the bottom position.As I type that it seems less and less like a good analogy.Help her find her fears, help her find her motivation, empower.

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